Mar 7 2009 - Krishna Talk 86

(The following transcript is from an informal lecture by Srila Sridhara Deva Gosvami Maharaja on 18th February 1982 at Sri Caitanya Sarasvata Matha, Navadvipa, West Bengal)

Rupa Goswami Samadhi

“We did not venture to enter the details of madhurya-rasa. Our Guru Maharaja did not like it. But it will come irresistibly within you, you go on, sravana kirtana. Pujala raga-patha gaurava-bhange. Fools rush in where angels fear to tread. It is so high. When it will come it will awaken within you. It won’t be awakened by any other person.”

BR Sridhara Deva Goswami Srila Sridhara Maharaja: Quality, that is also of innumerable kind, in differentiation and the quantity also. The degree of affinity and the teacher of affinity. Division, sub-division, sub-sub-division — branches, different branches are there. Rupa Gosvami has written, especially in madhurya-rasa he has classified in Ujjvala-nilamani. In Bhakti-rasamrta-sindhu the general science of devotion is given. There he takes the general development of bhakti and the highest position comes to madhurya-rasa, it is closed there — Bhakti-rasamrta-sindhu, first part. And then second part, Ujjvala-nilamani. There, only madhurya-rasa has been dealt with in detail. I have not gone through it, but only in Caitanya-caritamrta, and other literatures. 

We did not venture to enter into the details of madhurya-rasa. Our Guru Maharaja did not like it. But it will come irresistibly within you if you go on with sravana kirtana. Pujala raga-patha gaurava-bhange. Fools rush in where angels fear to tread. It is so high. When it will come it will awaken within you. It won’t be awakened by any other person.

An example was given by Gaura-kisora Babaji Maharaja in a general way. Babaji Maharaja used to live in a very small hut on the banks of the Ganges. Another gentleman, imitating him, erected a similar cottage nearby. And physically he used to make penances like Babaji Maharaja — eating, not eating, taking bath, some days not taking bath, in this way physical austerity. Then Babaji’s remark came one day to a sadhu

“Only by entering a labor room, a girl does not produce a child. It is mere imitation — many things are necessary beforehand.”

Also there is another tale. A girl talking to her mother, “Mother, when the child will come out of my womb, you please awaken me at the time.” The mother told, “No, no, you will awaken at the time. It won’t be necessary that I shall rouse you from your slumber. When the child is coming, you will awaken — it is not like that.” So the Sahajiya-babajis are laboring hard externally to produce some child, but our Guru Maharaja told that it is not an easy thing:

muktanam api siddhanam narayana parayanam
sudurlabham prasantatma kotisvapi mahamune

"O great sage, amongst millions who have attained liberation and perfection, one may be a devotee of Lord Narayana. Such devotees, who are fully peaceful, are most rare." (Bhag. 6.14.5)

It is the highest of the high. So don’t allow yourself to venture, to run toward that. The day will dawn by the grace of the Lord when you will not be able to resist that thing. That tendency within you will come, so you go on – ihan mali sece nitya sravanadi jala (Cc. Madhya 19.155). The duty of the mali (gardener), of the disciple, is to pour water onto the root, and natural growth there will be. Then the fruit will come down and from here he will taste it. So don’t venture to rush into that.

Ujjvala-nilamani is a book where only madhurya-rasa has been dealt with in detail. And very shortly that is given here and there in Caitanya-caritamrta in a well-guarded way. We will approach from there [Caitanya-caritamrta] and whatever little we have heard from the lips of our Guru Maharaja. That is enough and one day we may be allowed to enter that domain in some life.

In Ujjvala-nilamani there is gostha-sakhi, narma-sakhi, priya-sakhi – in this way so many groups of sakhis. And there are manjaris, a different department. So many things are there. That is on our head, on the upper side of our attainment, we are hoping. But we do not want to enter there unnaturally as a test person — then everything would be spoiled. We are not ready to spoil our fortune. Whatever we have attained. There is so much there, so much. Any greater prospect, which is impossible for mankind to reach, then why should I be so ardent and impatient to spoil my prospect? Don’t spoil it! What we have attained, that is enough, that is enough food. And if we do not find any food there, if we run to find that food, that will be treachery. Eagerness is good, but rushing is foolish. 

Cakravarti Thakura has given the gist in three of his summary books, Kirana, bindu and kana. Bhagavatamrta-kanika and Ujjvala-nilamani-kirana. Kirana – a ray of the gems, mani – the luster of the gems and bindu – a particle of nectar, Bhakti-rasamrta-sindhu-bindu — a drop of water of the ocean. Kirana, bindu and kana. There he has mentioned in very short sketches. Hare Krsna! Gaura-haribol!

Bhakti Sudhira Gosvami: If there is no one - if Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura did not approve of his disciples to read such a book as Ujjvala-nilamani, then who was the book written for?

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: (laughs) We are not atheists that before reading that book if I die, my prospect is gone forever! Don’t think like that! If I am there in the soil, I am safe. One day I must get that. He [Bhaktisiddhanta] gave me some hints. He gave admission by requesting me to sing the song of Rupa-manjari. I may think that he has given, at least many of our friends told that, “He has given you admission.” A gatekeeper, by the name of Bhakti Raksaka. They say that I am the protector, but I think that I am a gatekeeper. By this name he has appointed me as a gatekeeper. Who will go in, he wants to see. So, I am not giving passport or visa to anyone and everyone.

vaikunthe prthivy-adi sakala cinmaya
mayika bhutera tathi janma nahi haya

"The earth, water, fire, air and ether in Vaikuntha are all fully spiritual. Material elements cannot be found there." (Cc. Adi 5.53)

We are to be conscious that the soil of that land is more valuable than that which we are made of, we the tatastha-jivas. The material by which we have been created, and where we want to enter – that is a more valuable type of material – the water and the earth. They have everything. If I am not a traitor to this sort of understanding, then how can I venture? I am allowed to go. I am required to go over and put my footsteps on that which is more pure and venerable for me. I will do this only for the necessity from that region, that is free. It is not so cheap, it is most valuable. 

Jiva Gosvami has mentioned in the Sandarbhas why Sukadeva did not take the Name of Radharani in the Bhagavatam.  He came, he approached and almost was going to take Her Name, but he shuddered and pushed back. Thinking about the characteristic of the audience, Sukadeva started to take the Name, but again he came back, “No!” That is Jiva Gosvami's thought on this. As he preaches, we must follow that. 

Pujala raga-patha gaurava-bhange. So our Guru Maharaja is said to be an incarnation of Jiva Gosvami. Su-vicaraka iva jivaka. Whatever I heard, I put it in his poem, and also in another place:


"He is the illustrious personality who raises the flag that attests to the glory of Sri Rupa, Sri Sanatana, and Sri Raghunatha Dasa; he sings the glories of the powerful personality of brilliant erudition, Sri Jiva, throughout the world." (Sri Sri Prabhupada-padma-stavakah 7)

Our Guru Maharaja was the protector of the bhakti-rasa and raga-patha as Jiva Gosvami did — jivadyair abhiraksitam. That is high above, and he tried to prove that with evidence from different scriptures — from the Purana, Tantra, Veda, Upanisad and Mahabharata. Jiva Gosvami’s function was to prove that what Rupa and Sanatana gave is the highest in the theological world. To prove that — that was his function. And our Gurudeva’s function was similar, to prove that it is above. “Come to understand this test, and understand it with me. Come!  I won’t allow you to spread blasphemy about this. That is my duty. And Gaudiya Matha is mainly for that. That it is high, higher than the highest. And you all must come to fight in the lower position, the lower plane.” 

Srutibhir vimrgyam – all the sruti, the revealed truth, are only showing that direction. That is the position of the sage – srutibhir vimrgyam. They are particularly showing the direction only and not entering into analyzing and testing it, not like that. It is so valuable, it is adhoksaja. It is the hand of Sri Krsna Himself. It must not be undervalued, undermined. That is the danger in this – the danger of undervaluation. That must be guarded with all our might. And it is self-effulgent. When it will come, it will awaken in one’s heart. Aprahita – it is irresistible. And then it will be full-fledged, it will be natural, it will be a natural growth. One won’t be able to return to catch the reins of his progress. It will be so natural. You will find that you are surrounded by that plane. No help. It is such — it will come down. The higher atmosphere will come down to surround you. 

By myself, in the lowest order, I have some experience of the adhoksaja knowledge. One day I was sitting on that chair there and talking with Manabhirama Prabhu and Sajjanananda. Suddenly I found that some subtle plane of knowledge came down and captured my whole consciousness, my limited consciousness, as if it was surrounded. And even at the bottom, I felt that I was at the disposal of that higher knowledge, so much so that I melted down for a few seconds, perhaps a minute, then it vanished. I began to relate this to those two, “Now I am experiencing some wonderful thing. That higher consciousness has come down, and it has surrounded me on all sides. I think my ego is in another atmosphere, and that is something like mist, but that is conscious.” It was not any other thing. It was of a higher substance than I am, higher than my knowledge, I felt it. Then I thought, “We are told that when one is going to Vaikuntha in a chariot, the easiest token (ticket) of the chariot comes from surrendering. It is coming suddenly and I felt myself helpless. Wherever it will go, I am captured. A captive and I shall have to go there. Wherever this higher consciousness will go, I am a captive within that, in a cell. I shall have to go – there is no other alternative. That is adhoksaja. A higher consciousness came down, and within and without myself I found that thing. Anyhow, it was my feeling, that it was a higher consciousness coming down, surrounding me and I was a captive in its hand.  And wherever this will go, I will go, I have to go as a captive. That was my feeling at that time. 

Previously also, I had some conception what is soul, what is Krsna Consciousness. A flash came – but this is outside. A sudden flash of knowledge came. I am here and it is outside. Some flash came and went. This Visvarupa-adhyaya in Bhagavad-gita, Trayodasa-adhyaya – 

sarvatah pani-padam tat sarvato’ksi-siro-mukham
sarvatah srutimal loke sarvam avrtya tisthati

"His hands, legs, eyes, heads, faces, and ears pervade all directions. Thus He exists, pervading all." (Gita 13.14)

That sort of conception of the Lord suddenly came as a flash and went away, vanished. That is all an external experience, bodily conscious experience. But this time I felt I was a captive of that. Higher knowledge is possible, knowledge which is not an object to us. I am a subject and that is an object. Generally things are like that - high or low. I am a subject. But if we are to enter Vaikuntha, we arealways surrounded by our guru. Above or below, the whole atmosphere is like that – the land of gurus. Everyone is to be served and no one isto enjoy or exploit. The whole atmosphereis to be served. I am the only servant, and it is required that I shall serve the whole environment. 

And to enter into that plane, do I have such faith in me, faith of that standard? Faith that there may be such a place, where from the bottom to the top, everything of consideration is all-venerable, and I am to serve all of them? I am the only servant, and the whole environment is to be served? We must have such a feeling first. Otherwise I am a disbeliever, an enemy to the cult of devotion proper. I can’t be such a traitor. I am a disbeliever if I can’t believe in this. That Para-vyoma is a sphere which is constituted of units which are all-venerable to me. Then, how can I enter there? I am called there only by the plea of service  – “Come to serve Me.” Only then can I go there. Otherwise I cannot put my foot in that realm. So I believe this. Svalpam asy asya dharmasya, trayate mahato bhayat. 

There must be faith that such things are existent — the all-venerable side. The whole side is venerable, such things exist. Such firm faith — that is enough.