Inconceivable Topics

Feb 3 2005 - Krishna Talk 54

Question: I have heard it said recently by some devotees that the origin of the jiva (regarding the soul's falling or not falling from the lila of Krsna) is inconceivable and that we cannot imagine or understand how or from where the soul has come into this material world. Can you please comment on this controversial topic?

Answer: With our tiny brains so many things in Krsna consciousness are inconceivable. Not only is the origin of the soul inconceivable but Krsna's name, His form, qualities, and pastimes are all inconceivable to us. Who could conceive that the Absolute Truth (the source of all existence) is crawling as an infant child in the courtyard of Nanda Maharaja or suckling the breast of Mother Yasoda?

The great devotee, Raghupati Upadhyaya says,

srutim apare smrtim itare bharatam anye bhajantu bhava-bhitah
aham iha nandam vande yasyalinde param brahma

"Those who are afraid of material existence worship the Vedic literature. Some worship smrti, the corollaries to the Vedic literature, and others worship the Mahabharata. As far as I am concerned, I worship Krsna's father, Maharaja Nanda, in whose courtyard the Supreme Personality of Godhead, the Absolute Truth, is playing."

That the Absolute Truth is crawling in the courtyard of Nanda Maharaja is inconceivable to even the greatest thinkers that the world has ever known, but it is a fact.

When we rely on the capacity of our tiny brain then all such things may be inconceivable. Knowledge or proper understanding of the Absolute Truth is obtained through the descending process (avaroha) and not through the ascending process (aroha). Aroha depends on the mind and senses, which are inherently defective and thus knowledge obtained in this way is also defective or incomplete.

Avaroha means the process of receiving transcendental knowledge through the disciplic succession of self-realized souls. Such knowledge when received submissively enables one to understand the Absolute Truth.

The sound that comes to us through (disciplic succession) the process of avaroha is also called sabda-brahma or transcendental sound vibration that is not subject to bhrama (mistakes), pramada (illusion), vipralipsa (cheating), or karanapatava (imperfect perception).

On the other hand any form of knowledge or understanding (particularly regarding the Absolute Truth) sought through the process of aroha is most certainly wrought with the four defects of bhrama, pramada, vipralipsa, and karanapatava.

If we want to know the origin of the soul or to understand the Supreme Personality of Godhead we must first hear from authorities with faith (sraddha). This is called sravana-dasa, hearing from authorities with faith.

Then comes varana-dasa, acceptance. When we faithfully hear from authorities the next natural step is to accept what the authorities have said. Only faith allows us to embrace transcendental knowledge. If for some reason we lack the essential faith and rely on our tiny brains for understanding, then the truth remains inconceivable and beyond our understanding or power of recognition. When we lack the proper faith then even after hearing the truth we will fail to recognize it.

Acceptance or varana-dasa must be followed by sadhana-dasa, the stage of practice. Practice means to follow in the footsteps. This means that the knowledge from spiritual authorities must be followed and passed on to others without adding anything of our own concoction. What the self-realized authorities say we accept as truth.

Then we come to the stage of prapana-dasa or attainment. In prapana-dasa there is realization of the Absolute Truth. That which has been accepted on the basis of faith now becomes fully realized.

By the grace of our spiritual teachers we can accept the truth after hearing with faith and thus such matters as the inconceivable origin of the jiva can easily be understood even in our neophyte stage of spiritual life.

If we do not have real faith then even after hearing the truth we will not accept it or embrace it fully. The issue of the origin of the jiva is only inconceivable in the minds of those devotees who have not embraced the transcendental knowledge passed down in our disciplic succession.

Our spiritual master Srila A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada has stated:

"The conclusion is that no one falls from the spiritual world, or Vaikuntha planet, for it is the eternal abode." (S.B. purport, 3.16.26)

Shortly before the close of Srila Prabhupada's manifest pastimes he left instruction that if his disciples had any questions regarding philosophy that they should approach his godbrother, Srila B.R. Sridhara Maharaja.

As it turned out, the origin of the jiva and the jivas falling or not falling from the spiritual world was one of the first philosophical questions to be raised after the departure of Srila Prabhupada. Thus the disciples of Srila Prabhupada approached his godbrother Srila B.R. Sridhara Maharaja for clarification and instruction. Srila Sridhar Deva Goswami Maharaja stated as follows:

"The brahma-jyoti, the non-differentiated marginal plane, is the source of infinite jiva souls, atomic spiritual particles of non-differentiated character. The rays of the Lord's transcendental body are known as the brahma-jyoti, and a pencil of a ray of the brahma-jyoti is the jiva. The jiva soul is an atom in that effulgence, and the brahma-jyoti is a product of an infinite number of jiva atoms.

"Generally, souls emanate from the brahma-jyoti which is living and growing. Within the brahma-jyoti, their equilibrium is somehow disturbed and movement begins. From non-differentiation, differentiation begins. From a plain sheet of uniform consciousness, individual conscious units grow. And because the jiva is conscious it is endowed with free will. So, from the marginal position they choose either the side of exploitation or the side of dedication.

"Because the soul is very small, his freedom is also imperfect; a soul in the marginal position is very vulnerable. Freedom does not mean absolute freedom. Because the soul's existence is small, his freedom is defective -- there is the possibility of committing a mistake. Freedom of the minute soul does not mean perfect freedom. Complete freedom would be perfect reality, but the minute soul is endowed with the smallest atomic freedom. This is the position of the atoms of consciousness, and this is why they are vulnerable. They may judge properly or improperly; that is the position of those who are situated in the marginal position. If the soul were not endowed with the freedom to determine his position, we would have to blame God for our suffering. But we cannot blame God. The starting point of the soul's suffering is within himself." (Sri Krsna - Reality the Beautiful, ch-4, Origin of the Soul)

When approached about this subject, Srila Sridhara Maharaja made no reference whatsoever to the jiva ever having been in the lila of Krsna before his having fallen down to this material world. Rather Srila Sridhara Maharaja makes it quite clear that the jiva originates in the marginal plane of existence.

This is called srota-pantha, hearing and accepting knowledge through the disciplic succession. Those who struggle with embracing the proper Gaudiya Vaisnava siddhanta regarding to origin of the soul (as described above) are either the victims of a poor fund of faith or they are simply suffering from the reactions of vaisnava-aparadha.

When we lack the essential faith to hear from authorities about the knowledge pertaining to even the simplest truth (as the jiva issue) then what chance do we stand to understand the higher lilas of Radha and Krsna in Vrndavana, where every word is a song and every step is a dance and from where once having gone no one ever returns.